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Stana jest bardzo budynku nasz awatar bąków przygniatania opowiedzieć franco and build a national cyber R&D ISAO. And by the way, as we were all sitting down here, as we were trying to figure out how we would get all of us at the table, he said we're going to need a bigger boat. I saw that movie recently. I think what they really needed was a smaller shark. VISNER: But they didn't get either. It ended badly for most of them. What I really am hoping to talk about today is what we do to improve information sharing for cyber R&D. first, the why of it, and the why, I think is that while I agree absolutely with Deputy Assistant Secretary Touhill that there is a huge risk component to the cybersecurity problem, I think there is also a larger component that relates to our nation's global role, global standing, and global power. Other countries are using their ability to impair our cybersecurity, to conduct exploitation and attack, to change the global order, to diminish our global role, our global standing, and enhance their own. They look at cybersecurity as the security of bordered sovereign cyberspace which they intend to become preeminent, and they're pretty clear about their objectives there. We more and more complex cyber operations representing the intersection of advanced cybersecurity technology plus really patient, disciplined, effective, well-resourced trade craft on behalf of state actors and organized cyber criminals. that interaction of great trade craft and great technology the hands of adversaries, cyber criminals, and state organizations is more than-it goes beyond public safety, and it goes beyond risk. It goes to the very-to our nation's very standing the global order and our role preserving both national security and international security. that's what I really think is at stake here, and that's why I think this issue is critically important. That's why when we talk about cybersecurity information sharing for R&D, I look back to other issues, other problems, and, challenged me to be robust comments. hopefully, I rise, to that challenge. But when I think about other problems which our global standing and global role was at stake, nuclear energy, aerospace science and engineering, which allowed us to become preeminent aerospace and eventually get to the these were areas which we built national strategies for R&D, for nuclear science, for aerospace science. And having built those strategies, we started to build real information sharing architectures the post-war and then eventually, we began to build information sharing, not only information sharing architectures, but organizations. And contention and the contention of those with whom I'm working the Intelligence and National Security Alliance, that if we're going to be effective cybersecurity, we need a national cyber R&D strategy to be able to deal with problems like securing critical infrastructure and SCADA systems and industrial control systems and highly virtualized systems and systems that run where workloads are allocated to different cloud environments, which expend-systems that extend all the way from your mobile device all the way through the shop floor on a shared infrastructure and possibly a virtualized and cloud infrastructure. We need to be able to do that, and we need to be able to do that if we are going to preserve our global role. And that means building up some kind of information sharing organization for cyber R&D. the what of it, I think is the future of our country, not just our safety, which is important, not just mitigating risk and buying it down, which his vital, but going beyond that to preserving our role on the global order. And the what of it is building up the strategy, which I think OSDP is charged with doing, but probably I wouldn't say the results there have been as robust as we need-going from a strategy to information sharing architecture and a real Information Sharing and Analysis Organization that gives us cyber what we got out of nuclear energy, what we got out of aerospace, what we're getting some areas of biotech, but we now need cybersecurity for our own national interests. Let me stop there. I think I've gone on far enough, and clearly, we're not going to get a smaller shark out of this, we really do need a stronger boat. ECHOLS: Great. we have a very opinionated and learned panel, and I'm really interested hearing your insights on some of these subjects. As you can we're trying to stretch the subject here that we 't miss opportunity when we get these workshops later, and we 't want to paint ourselves a corner. We want to think broad. We want to understand those things we need to be considering as we stand up a standards organization and we start looking to best practices and how we roll out ISAO paradigm that takes